The possibility of an unlitigated and friendly settlement over the construction of a new home in the Austin Terrace Historic District dissolved in discord today when City Council voted 4-2 to uphold the neighbors' appeal.
That leaves the owners, Jorge and Lisa Valenzuela, with only one recourse: a lawsuit against the city.
Earlier this year, city inspectors mistakenly issued a building permit to allow a massive, two-story, 4,000 square foot house to go up in a 1920s era neighborhood without the approval of the Historic Landmark Commission, as required.
When the city’s mistake was discovered, the city halted construction of the partially built house, which the neighbors contended was not in keeping with the rest of the historic district.
Admitting the city’s error, City Council last month agreed on a plan to send the issue to the Historic Landmark Commission, hire an architect agreed on by all parties to redesign the house at city expense to conform with the city’s standards for historic preservation and to seek the agreement of the neighbors.
If the Valenzuelas, the neighbors, the landmark commission and, ultimately, the City Council had agreed on the designs, the city was prepared to pay a substantial part of the cost to reconstruct the house.
But, it didn’t come together.
The landmark commission rejected four proposed designs for the house, because of the scale of the redesigned house and because the designs left two-car garage or carport in front of the house instead of moving it to the rear.
“There never was a consensus between the neighbors and the applicant, and the landmark commission denied the certificate of appropriateness for any of the designs the applicant brought forward,” said West-Central city Rep. Susie Byrd, whose district includes Austin Terrace.
Byrd recommended that the council uphold the neighbors’ appeal and prohibit the Valenzuelas from building completing their $300,000 home.
The city hired architect Bill Boyd, who came up with four alternate designs that he thought would bring the house more in line with Austin Terrace.
The Valenzuelas' lawyer, Frank Ainsa, said two of the designs were acceptable to the family but not to the landmark commission, which turned them down as inappropriate on Friday.
The neighbors opposed the redesigns for the Valenzuela's house and the current design as well.
“They wanted the Valenzuelas to tear down the house and erect a single-story house of about 2,000 square feet with the option of a basement if they wanted more space,” Ainsa said.
Supporting Byrd's recommendation siding with the landmark commission and neighbors and against the Valenzuelas were West Side Rep. Ann Lilly, East Central Rep. Emma Acosta and Eastridge/Mid-Valley Steve Ortega.
Northeast Rep. Melina Castro and East Side Rep. Rachel Quintana voted against the neighbors' appeal. East Valley Rep. Eddie Holguin was absent from the meeting and South-West Rep. Beto O'Rourke left before the vote.

















Sara D
June 24, 2008
It seems to me as though the Valenzuela's have hired their high priced attorney and made up their minds to be as combative as possible with not only the city but sadly with their future neighbors as well. If they do not like any design in keeping with the current neighborhood design then why move here? If they have their hearts set on this cookie cutter oversized monstrous home, then perhaps they should consider moving to an area where the garish design would fit in. The city simply needs to be more assertive in their dealings with this family and reimburse them for all expenses plus any incidental expenses due to this process and deny any future requests not in keeping with the historical nature of the neighborhood.
j.j.
June 24, 2008
Why should the city compromise with a guy who wants to build a monster house in a historic neighborhood. I hope the city council does the right thing to preserve the neighborhood, or other people will think they can buy less expensive central EP plots to build their West Side or Montwood-like mansions.
epwonder
June 24, 2008
A man's home is his castle. These residents are nothing more than jealous of the fact that an Hispanic person will have a nicer home than they do. Those homes in the Austin Terrace area are nothing more than old 1 story houses that are nothing more than old houses. What makes that an historic area anyway? I hope this family sticks it to the city.
G. Porter
June 24, 2008
I was at the City Council meeting today for the CDBG budget approval and was forced to wait and hear all of the information you presented so well. I do hope that the City can keep their Historical Areas in compliance with the rules that have been outlined but I feel that the family involved does have a case against the Department that O.K.'d the original permit (in error). The plans are too much for the neighborhood and further construction should not be allowed!!!! GLP
expat Al
June 24, 2008
This has nothing to do with interracial jealousy. Unless it is that Hispanics have amazingly bad taste in architecture, if you can even call this house that.
But I am Hispanic, and I think this house is really bad and needs to be gone from this neighborhood, which is historic because you'll never see another one like it in El Paso, and if you don't know the difference then less power to you. But please don't defend bad taste: you do El Paso a disservice.
Stick to your guns City of El Paso. The future of the city is at stake.
Ken G
June 24, 2008
The City (representing us) screwed up and will have to pay for it. Offer the Valenzuela's a house equal size and value in another part of the City. Don't let lawyers get rich on this. There seem to be many nice homes in that range for sale. Conclude this quickly!
joeZ
June 24, 2008
The City engineers office just plainly screwed up.why should the Valenzuelas have to move out of this neighborhood or make any changes to thier house,he complied after he had been issued a Building permit I guess having a nice house next to yours doesn't matter anymore you would prefer a mouse infested weed breeding neighbor. Speak for yourself if you think Hispanics have bad taste in Architecture your probably from the segundo barrio and dont even own a house..I have seen some beautiful houses owned by hispanics that could blow your shoes off. I think the Valezuelas should be allowed to finish thier project otherwise the Tax payers of El Paso will be stuck with the bill after they win the Lawsuit.
lisaT
June 25, 2008
There is nothing historic about this neighborhood other than the homes are old and not up to code. I can't for the life of me understand why this is a historic area. Old homes are not historic unless they are the birthplace of significant historical people of value like Presidents.
bert navar
June 25, 2008
It appears to be an abuse of power by the neighbors and the city. It seem that Mr. Valenzuela is willing to make the necessary visual adjustments to the house so that it will blend into the neighborhood. The neighbors want to tell Mr. Valenzuela what size his house should be, and that a two story house is unbearable to them. I shouldn't be up to the neighbors to design the Valenzuela's house. Let the Historicial Landmark Commission and the Architects work to make the house fit in. Otherwise everybody has an opinion, and that is all it is an opinion.
expat Al
June 25, 2008
"The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" said journalist Elizabeth Drew.
Some opinions matter more than others, especially to a city trying to create its "brand." Here are some "opinions" of other prominent cities:
Denver, CO:
(1) It is hereby declared as a matter of public policy that the protection, enhancement, perpetuation and use of structures and districts of historical, architectural or geographic significance, located within the city or its mountain parks, is a public necessity, and is required in the interest of the prosperity, civic pride and general welfare of the people.
Santa Fe, NM:
"In order to promote the economic, cultural, and general welfare of the people of the City and to ensure the harmonious, orderly and efficient growth and development of the City, it is deemed essential by the Governing Body that the qualities relating to the history of Santa Fe, and a harmonious outward appearance, which preserve property values and attract tourists and residents alike, be preserved"
San Antonio, TX:
"As a matter of public policy the council aims to preserve, enhance, and perpetuate those aspects of the city and the San Antonio river having historical, cultural, architectural and archaeological merit. Such preservation promotes and protects the health, safety, prosperity, education, comfort, and general welfare of the people living in and visiting San Antonio."
And yes, even El Paso, TX:
"B. To protect, enhance and perpetuate historic landmarks which represent or reflect distinctive and important elements of the city’s, region’s, state’s or nation’s architectural, archaeological, cultural, social, economic, ethnic and political history and to develop appropriate settings for such places;
C. To safeguard the city’s historic and cultural heritage, as embodied and reflected in such historic landmarks by appropriate regulations"
Nothing in any of these about famous people being born in buildings.
Alonso
June 25, 2008
So let's get this straight; the building hired an architect who came up with four (4) proposals, two of which were acceptable to the Valenzuelas, but the landmark commission (and the nosy neighbors) rejected ALL FOUR proposals? How funny is it that the neighbors want to dictate the size and shape of the house? Who are they to tell this family they can only have a one-story home? Just because they have one-story homes doesn't mean everyone in this "historic" neighborhood has to have a one-story home! Am I the only one that sees how nonsensical this is? I myself did not see the four proposals from the city-hired architect, but I am assuming he attempted to architecturally fit in with the historic aspects of the neighborhood. Simply because the home is larger than any other next to it does not in itself make these designs unacceptable, right? I see people post using words like monstrous, garish, cookie-cutter, over-sized, but who are you to say that about this home? Your opinion should not matter in this situation. No one comes to your home and tells you that you need to decorate differently because the house next door has brown couches and yours are black. No one tells you to have grass in your front yard instead of rock, because the two houses next to you have grass. No one tells you to buy a mid-size car to park in front of your house, because your over-sized "monstrous" SUV doesn't fit in with the rest of the neighborhood. I think I've made my point. These neighbors need to stop meddling in this matter and go take care of their homes. The commission needs to approve one of the proposals submitted by the city-hired architect and the Valenzuelas, and we all need to go on with our lives and find better things to spend tax-payer money than to pay this family when the city loses the suit against them.
scott
June 25, 2008
The Valenzuelas knew they were in an Historic (historic for El Paso) District. I suspect the Valenzuelas also knew the rules of the district including the need for a certificate of appropriateness. I also suspect they were going to see if they could get by without the certificate. The irony is I bet they get the house for free when it is all said and done. I wonder, did they not ask about the certificate prior to beginning construction in the hope of getting a free house?
L. Valenzuela
June 25, 2008
A friend referred me to this website for some comic relief and although I did receive it by reading comments like- Sara D, j.j. and especially expat Al… I thought, why not clarify for all, just one time and one time only… Sure, I can take cheap shots at the people mentioned above, but I think I am going to take the high road for the most part and comment on facts ( and throw in a few personal opinions on Susie Byrd, this is me not taking the high road).. this being MY house and all.
First off let me get one thing straight, this “monstrous house” is being built on TWO lots, #16 & #17 to be exact. Not one but two. Now, Sara mentions us trying to be as combative as possible with the city and our future neighbors. Interesting….Sara, where you in any of the meetings we had with the city as well as the spokesperson for the appellants? Didn’t think so….. The city hired ( key word = CITY) an architect who designed 4 different floor plans, all were submitted, my husband and I choose 2 that would best fit our needs. Again, we did not design the floor plans but Mr. Boyd did. I think we should have the right to narrow the plans down, especially since I will be paying that mortgage. Not Sara, j.j., expat Al or whomever has unsolicited advice (as to what we should do now)… OH and certainly not the neighbors. We have never built a home in El Paso, we choose a home we liked, filled out the proper paperwork and submitted for approval. The approval was granted. This paperwork went through a ton of city employed personnel. What went wrong? Let me tell you- Since our lot had been empty for so many years, it never came up as historic in the city’s system. There was a “glitch” in their system, verbatim. I can assure you, had their job been done right the first time, we wouldn’t be in this mess. I wouldn’t be fighting anything. We have invested a ton of money, my home is halfway built, and children are involved. I don’t think this is right. Plain and simple. It is extremely easy for all you negative people to pass judgment or make comments because you aren’t walking in my shoes. This isn’t your money. How would you feel if this was happening to your sister, mother, DAUGHTER? Everyone would be singing a different tune. Ok, so you may not agree that my home fits in the neighborhood, but have any of you taken the time to drive around there? I’m sure plenty will say yes just to be controversial and that’s fine, I’m not here to fight. City Council asked us to come to a “compromise”. Well, we tried as hard as we could. Susie Byrd is ignorant for saying we were not willing to compromise. Susie did not attend ONE meeting where we discussed the new plans. We accepted each one that was offered. Up until the last minute when she kept insisting the major issue was a forward facing garage ( how this affects their everyday life, I HAVE NO IDEA)our attorney stated we would remove it. Was she willing to send it back to the HLC? Of course not, she had her heartless mind set from the beginning. We never had a shot, not even if I would have let her personally design the damn house. Fortunately for us, all this is documented in the minutes from City Council. We were willing to change, compromise, what ever you would like to call it….. Take the time to view the meeting; I assure you Sara D is completely wrong. Some have told us Susie B is being political, she “HAD” to vote against you.. well, that’s fine, she is the one that has to look in the mirror with the decision she made… she didn’t even meet us half way. These are guidelines, not LAWS. Susie is choosing to make her ignorant comments to the media, saying we weren’t willing to compromise; all I ask is that you view the meeting and see who TRULY wasn’t willing to compromise. My time will arrive where I can set the record straight on her vicious lies (she is only trying to make herself look good and is doing a LOUSY job at it) and trust me, I will take it…… Personally, I see nothing historic about this neighborhood, especially seeing how not one house matches the other. We suffered through the great depression and homes began being built differently…. so in reality, their complaints have no merit. At least not in MY opinion. As for the future, we don’t know what is going to happen. I have complete trust in my Attorney and faith in God that what ever is meant to be, will be. Thank you to everyone who has not made negative comments, we appreciate you looking at this from all angles. In the end, everyone will have an opinion, whether I agree or not. I am choosing to not return to this site for fear I will want to respond to any negative ignorant comments. Unfortunately, there will be many comments from Tom, Dick and Harry, but no one knows the real truth because they have no involvement. So with that said, PEACE. Wait...one last thing….. Life has a funny way of working itself out…. Especially around election time or so I have been told…
Peace- This time for real ;)
L Valenzuela
June 25, 2008
Please forgive me, in all the ranting and raving I completely forgot one MAJOR key element here. As I stated before, our home did not come up as historic in the system, however, we documented the code for historic property on every single piece of paper that was submitted to the city. The city employees should have known better, recognized this code, sent it to the HLC and none of this would have happened. Our mistake was believing the city had done its proper job and began building when the PERMIT was approved. We have shown City Council, Media, etc the paperwork where it was documented (by us) that this was a historic area. None the less, city officials completely missed that part…. Shocking. So here we are.
MIke
June 25, 2008
I was going to go off on some of the negagive comments here but it Mrs. Valenzuela appears to have handled this quite nicely.. I hope she returns to this sight to see my comments.. The records show the that the Valenzuelas' had done everything properly, including noting the property was in a historic district. Our city employees seem to be the incompetent ones. I am not basing this on just what is happening with the Valenzuelas' but from my past dealings with city and county offices. In the last year I have had to deal city and county offices at least 5 times. On four occassions i received conflicting information several times all as a result if information note being input correctly or in a timely manner. The only time I was satisfied had to do with gettiing a copy of a birth certificate. Something is very wrong here and it needs fixing starting from the tip down.
I saw the 7-ABC news broadcast last night and Ms. Byrds comments to the media. Nowhwere was it noted that she did not attend the hearings Mrs. Valenzuela refers to. It was reported about the two compromise designs accepted by the Valenzuelas' but denied approval. It appears to me that having realized the mistake made by city inspectors and that the revised plans were drafted by an architect hired by the city, the HLC and Ms. Byrd are adapting a bunker mentality.
Here is my solution. Mr. and Mrs. Valenzuela please read this before reacting if indeed you are reading this. The HLC should deny them permission to build anything there. The Valenzuelas's should then sue and win in court all associiated costs and punitive damages. The city should then pay to to demolish the existing structure and leave the property as vacant as it was before. Then, to pay for all this, pass the cost on to the residents of the area who do not want this home built in their district and to Mrs. Byrd and any other council member voting against the Valenzuelas' by way of their property tax bill in next years property taxes. I sure as heck don't want to pay for any of this. Good luck Mr. and Mrs. Valenzuela. In the end I sincerely hope your dreams are realized.
: @
June 25, 2008
The neighborhood NEEDS to mind their own business. OMG! You neighbors are so NOSY! Everyone just needs BACK OFF! Seriously this is ridiculous, it's crazy what people will do just because they have nothing better other than looking out the window and see what other DRAMA they can create. Valenzuela family fight for what you deserve, Justice WILL BE SERVED!...........What goes around comes around and that goes for those of you who wish for the home not to be built!
a. binion
June 25, 2008
I have kept up with all the news related to this case. I never thought I would say this, but THANK GOD I no longer live in such a disgustingly stupid City as El Paso, mind you I do not blame the City but the idiots that have "control" in it's governing...no wonder I get teased still to this day about where I use to proudly call home. Sara D. ,J.J, expat Al...for your sake please educate yourself on the subject at hand before making complete "ignorant" fool's of yourselves by expressing your obviously uneducated opinions...yes I know eveyone has one, but must we really exercise the right to being an ass?
You criticize the Valenzuelas taste? I would love to see how, where, and in what you live in....No, on second thought I don't give a flying rats behind. Live and let live.
Valenzuela Family..stand tall and proud, do not give heed to the ignorant bigots, take the City of El Paso, the HLC, and nail them to the wall, take your money and run as far as you can from HELL PASO. Oh by the way proud El Pasoans, those "homes" you are so proud of as "historical" are called OLD and RUN down here it Fort Worth...and what's with that pink wall the Valenzuelas would have been neighbors have, Que Nacos....well, there is no accounting for taste or class, those are qualities that are cultivated and aquired. Yes I took my cheap shots but valid ones at that...you asked for it you meddling uninformed people.
Licenciado
June 25, 2008
Troy Ainsworth, Historic Preservation Officer for the City of El Paso, stated, during the debate, that the 200 page Ordinance that set out the new construction Guidelines for the Historic District which was enacted back in 1981 had been filed away in some cabinet, forgotten, until he found them recently. He found the Guidelines after the Valenzuela's home construction began.
Nevertheless, the City is now requiring the Valenzuela family to comply with the Guidelines. The 1981 Ordinance gave the neighbors the right to appeal their filed objection to the Valenzuela home to City Council. They appealed and City Council sided with the neighbors.
The architect hired by the City, Bill Boyd, told City Council that, in his opinion, the five modifications to the original plans developed by him and submitted to the Historic Landmark Commission complied with the Guidelines. He stated the modified plans would not violate the Historic character of the Austin Terrace neighborhood. He stated there were other two story homes in the neighbornood, alongside one story homes. He also noted that the homes in the neighborhood had been constructed over several decades and that the homes reflected the architecture in use at the time of each home's construction. Consequently there was not a uniformity of architectural styles in the neighborhood. He also stated that the Valenzuela home, a new home, should also reflect the current architectural style of modern homes, and not be designed to reflect an architectural style in use many decades ago.
The bottom line is that the City's mistake is going to cost the taxpayers a lot of money. Joyce Wilson is ultimately responsible and should be fired, post haste, along with Troy Ainsworth. He has been on the job several months and there is no excuse for this "lost and forgotten" nonsense.
Omar
June 26, 2008
I had hopes this whole fiasco would be resolved favorably by both sides -- disappointing to hear otherwise. Whether or not you care what happens in our historic districts, it doesn't take an educated eye to see that this home doesn't exactly fit in. I'm all for infill development, but when done tastefully and with regards to the neighborhood it is being built in. I see nothing wrong with a two story home in that neighborhood, nor the fact that it was a large home. There are examples of both in austin terrace. What I don't agree with is the exaggerated size and the street facing garage. Homes in the 2000 - 3000 sqft range were considered large back in the day. A lifestyle that didn't center around the automobile also meant that noone built homes with a large portion of the front facade with something as utilitarian as garage doors. That would simply be unheard of. As for the architectural style -- that wouldn't be my first choice, but with an eclectic mix of styles already in place it might have fit in IF some other concessions to the overall design were taken.
Of course, what do I know? Let's leave it to the experts. I do hope something is resolved soon in the best interest of the family..
expat Al
June 26, 2008
According to Licenciado on Architect Boyd's comments:
"....He also stated that the Valenzuela home, a new home, should also reflect the current architectural style of modern homes, and not be designed to reflect an architectural style in use many decades ago."
To the contrary, what he actually said is the following.
Architect Boyd:
"...a house that is new should reflect and observe all of the proportions, the setbacks, the fenestration, the roof, and all of those things but it shouldn't be a clone of those other places.....A new house....should reflect the time that its built (sic) and not try to emulate all of the things though it should compliment and be a contributing thing to the area and not destructive."
...a more general statement with many more qualifiers.
Also....
Melina Castro:
"I don't understand how a garage in the front matters, but maybe you all can educate me." ...Any takers?
Savio Garcia
June 26, 2008
This vote by Susie Byrd just cost her my vote .
joez
June 27, 2008
expat al
you have to start being a little bit more original first you qoute the
drive by media journalist Elizabeth Drew, you know what they say about opinions every one has one.you probably haven't gone to the correct site, but she also Qouted: "Democracy, like any non-coercive relationship rests on a shared understanding of limits" .unqoute.The city overstepped thier limits and basically screwed up now they should be more democratic over the understanding of thier limits and allow this Family to continue thier construction of the house.Now your qouting Architecture Boyd
be original we understand what he ment you dont have to explain to us. tell us something knew something original I have excess to the internet also so please spare us the egony of reading something that has already been explained or written elsehwere.
MalEducado
June 28, 2008
People, people...did we not watch Sesame Street enough when we were liitte?
It's really very simple. Now sing along with me:
One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong
One of these things is not like the others
Tell me can you guess which one....?