The Foster-Regency proposal to build a shopping center on the 50-acre site where the old Farah Manufacturing plant now sits vacant in exchange for $12 million in city and county tax incentives may be dead.
El Paso County Commissioners Court today voted 3-1 to deny today the 10-year tax incentive package on a motion by Commissioner Luis Sarinana that County Judge Anthony Cobos and Commissioner Miguel Teran supported.
Commissioner Veronica Escobar cast the one vote for the proposal, which was slightly different from the incentive package City Council approved by a tie vote, with the mayor breaking the tie in favor, on Sept. 16. [link] Commissioner Dan Haggerty was absent.
West Miller of the Houston-based Regency Centers said the plan is dead unless something changes.
“We told everyone at the county and the city if we did not receive the net present value of $12 million, we could not go forward with the project, just as the other … developers did before us, including one of our opponents here today, Simon Properties,” Miller said.
“We’re not doing anything now. There won’t be a shopping center built. Until we get an incentive that we can live with that we’ve requested from the city and county, we cannot go forward. We wish we could but we cannot.”
Escobar said she opposed the project initially but came to support it because of the property tax money it would generate for the El Paso school district, county hospital and community college for the decade that the city and county would not be receiving them.
“The compelling piece for me is that it would continue what I see as the ongoing shift effort to shift the tax burden away from residential properties to commercial,” she said.
Teran offered a brief explanation of his opposition, saying, “I guess no one has shown me where we’re going to get new dollars to come and purchase here and create this new money,” he said. “Nobody has demonstrated that at all.”
Cobos said he initially supported the Foster-Regency proposal but ran into a big problem understanding why the developers are asking for $12 million – or $18 million over 10 years – in property and sales tax rebates to clear the Farah site when the city’s own figures indicate the demolition and removal of the plant would cost $6.3 million.
“That’s $18 million to remove $6.3 million in blight,” he said. “So where’s the other $11.7 million? That is the reason I’m against it. It is because the developer needs $11.7 million to make the project palatable as far as profitability.”
Cobos said there is another problem having to do with a little-known difference between the destination of the city’s sales tax revenues and the county’s.
When the county decided to adopt a half-cent sales tax in the late 1980s, it had to rollback the county’s property tax rate by the amount of money generated by the first year’s sales tax.
So, while reimbursing new sales taxes to Foster Regency to offset the demolition of the Farah plant and preparation of the site wouldn’t hurt the city because it would involve money the city had never seen, it could affect county taxpayers in a very different way, Cobos said.
“They say there is no risk, but there is a risk,” Cobos said.
If shoppers quit going to the stores they used to frequent and start going to the Foster-Regency center, which would be known as The Fountains, then the sales tax revenues would go to the developers for a decade instead of offsetting county property taxes, Cobos said.
For the fiscal year that ended Oct. 1, Cobos said, the county’s sales tax revenues rose 7.4 percent or $2.4 million.
“Guess what happened to that,” he said. “It went to offset the property taxes. So, County of El Paso taxpayers received a $2.4 million reduction in their property taxes.”
Those new revenues could be lost to the county and to taxpayers under the proposed deal, he said.
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Richard
October 13, 2008
Veronica, whose political affiliation is vastly different than mine, is AGAIN the Lone voice of reason. Too bad Haggerty was missing because he is great. The rest of the thugs who will eventually all go to jail were probably bribed to vote no. PATHETIC
Jo
October 13, 2008
This is exactly why El Paso gets ignored, why the brain drain continues, and why we are stuck in the 1960s. Go ahead and reject anything innovative and new. Let's just stay here and complain about it while cities like Austin, Albuquerque, Phoenix, and Tuscon progress. Shame on Commissioner's Court and shame on the El Pasoans who remain silent.
David
October 13, 2008
This is fantastic. This is yet another victory of the people over big business. Our Jente still have a wonderfull 50 acre reminder of the good ol days, and our kids don't have to worry about being taken advantage of by those greedy employers. Thank you County Government for saving us from the evil business people!
Cesar
October 13, 2008
I can't believe these county commissioners court members just don't let the city grow!! If we keep electing these small minded people, we will remain in the hole. Think outside the box people. Foster has plenty of money. If this Foster Regency plan gets approved, Foster will want to invest more and more in this city, which could put us back on the map and not a city known as "the city that borders Juarez, where all the killings are happening". Look at downtown and the plans Foster has. He really wants El Paso to look like El Paso deserves to look.
sl
October 13, 2008
Since when is it the community's responsibility to subsidize other individuals' investments? A sincere reality would be to buy it, build it, and share with the community, Not expect a bailout situation, and a hand out to continue a retail project and more.
What?
October 13, 2008
How tragic! We desperately need another huge mall next to the freeway a few blocks down from the other mall. That way our city can be just like London and Rome and Paris and all those wonderful cities that have malls next to the freeway.
Now that poor billionaire guy won't be able to spend $12 million of our tax dollars to start up his wonderful progressive project for the good of all of us. This news is just terrible. Woe is us. I could just cry.
Ken G
October 13, 2008
Negative thinking. It you build it they won't come :( The economy is slow now, true, the peso is losing value, true. The Army will build a huge AAFES/Commissary complex but I think we should have gone for it. The Bassett/Cielo Vista/and a new Farah/Regency/Foster complex may be to concentrated but it can work.
Both the City and County need to codify their abatement policies and the question of impact fees needs to be addressed.
Mary Helen Rockwell
October 13, 2008
Go forward!
JALK
October 13, 2008
It's gente not jente. Can't wait for the new court to come in. Gandara and Perez. Haggerty's replacement is coming soon; as well as Escobar's if she decides to go for County judge.
Jean
October 13, 2008
OK, so now let's start again. What doest his city need? More affordable housing or more retail stores? Do we want more parks, recreational and cultural facilities to be enjoyed by families or more storefront offices? Right now, it seems that going to the mall is a favorite family activity. Disposable income and recreational spending will now be curtailed because of the realization that we need to live within our means. We aspire to live in a more sustainable way and reduce our consummerism, re-use what we already have and recycle what we no longer need. So how about creating a little utopian neighborhood where folks grow their own fruits and vegetables, walk to small neighborhood shops and cafes and have shared open recreational space usable by persons of all levels of physical ability. Let's include a day care facility for young children and older adults while we're at it.
not another shopping center
October 13, 2008
Small business don't get to black mail taxing entities. Build your businesses and pay your taxes. Don't ask for tax breaks that 99% of the businesses and 100% of individuals don't get. This was for a shopping center for crying out loud.
Suzanne Fabian
October 13, 2008
At least someone here has some common sense! Why does El Paso have to jump at every hairbrain scheme just because we didn't in the past? The numbers were over-inflated and if you remember- nothing was ever promised but to tear down the building and do pre-development- what would have been the snafu when and if they did decide to build a mall? They would have asked for yet more money then we really would have egg on our face. Any greedy deal is NOT better than NO deal.
Robert
October 13, 2008
Shame on County Commissioners for voting against the proposed growth of the city. Instead of looking into the future with what revenues, jobs, growth, overall quality of life features El Paso could have, they put blinders on and maintain a "just say NO" attitude towards one of the few investors willing to invest in this city. Sure, they can try to sneak by a huge pay increase for themselves, but reject or try to work with a developer who is looking to better this city is unconscienceable. Our "jente" have enjoyed the blight of this building long enough. It is time to move forward and work with those able to tackle such projects. I say we work with those willing to invest in this city, NOT against them.
Chas
October 14, 2008
Talk about idiots? Where the hell was Haggarty?? Hidding? Now we are still stuck with that eye sore again.
ray
October 14, 2008
These developers have framed their proposal in such a way that with this mall/center, El Paso will draw different high retailers. Retailers that will be different. Retailers that will increase the Economic PIe.
The fact of the matter is that our city with it's expected population growth, will be a natural draw for other investors. What we have is a small niche of Special interest taking advantage of the small minded, prone to manipulation, gullible politicians who when confronted with smoke and mirrors will believe.
Our explosive growth isn't a secret to the rest of the country. Retail developers around the country stake out sections of the country that hold promise. Descretionary income, population growth, and sales per square foot and other factors will be the analysis done by the retail developers. We don't need to subsidize a local group since we will have others courting our city without this subsidy.
Oh1, with regards to the tenants in this proposed mall/center. Most of the employees will work in similiar retailers. Minimum wage, part-time schedules, and stores paying little to no benefits will be the norm. I've worked in retail for over 19 years. The retailing sector isn't anymore than a part-time job for college going kids that will leave our city.
why not subsidize mass transit (ie...BART in San Francisco) or the other sectors that will increase higher paying jobs. Why not consider increase attention to the Medical school and Fort Bliss.
Don't be fooled. All that glitters isn't gold.
Juan Sandoval
October 14, 2008
Finally we have some legislators that have some sense. I completely agree with their decision. It’s about time we stop taking it in the shorts. If the Foster-Regency Plan was such a great deal, and they tend to make MILLIONS, why don’t they do what every other business does and put up the capital. Instead they choose to have the taxpayers foot the bill. I wish I could do that, the reality is that very few business can do that. With all the abatements in the last few years, who is going to pay the taxes these people aren’t paying, has anyone figured that out yet. You can only go to the well so many times before it dries up and let me tell you we do not have a vey big well here in El Paso.
Jerry Kurtyka
October 14, 2008
I am glad that the incentive package got stopped, at least, at the County level. I was disappointed that our City Reps thought so little of our tax dollars to give them away to a private development. I think the shopping center is a good thing, but not at the taxpayer's expense.
If it doesn't work without tax giveaways, it doesn't work and should not be built.
vato
October 14, 2008
It is truly sad that some people consider the addition of more retail shopping venues as the type of growth that the city needs. Your priorities and values are really off the mark if you think that is what will make the city more prominent. Petty retail jobs and more corporate profits is the formula for Third World-ization.
LosaT
October 14, 2008
I thought I would never say these words. Thank God for our CCC. They made the right decision with the Farah moneypit. Good Job Guys.
sweetfat
October 14, 2008
These imbeciles that call themselves our county representatives would rather homeowners foot their bill than business owners who will also bring jobs and therefore more taxes. I'm fed up with these clowns - ALL OF THEM NEED TO GO!!!!
sweetfat
October 14, 2008
These imbeciles that call themselves our county representatives would rather homeowners foot their bill than business owners who will also bring jobs and therefore more taxes. I'm fed up with these clowns - ALL OF THEM NEED TO GO!!!!
Pochomatli
October 14, 2008
Providing tax incentives for business to redevelop blighted land is economic development. It's unfortunate that many people don't realize this, but the city must provide tax incentives. All of the major cities (New York, Washington DC, Seattle, Portland, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, etc.) who engage in redevelopment provide similar types of tax increment financing.
Al B
October 14, 2008
Who votes for these morons!!!! Oh...that's right!! But lets go tax all the little vendors at the arts and crafts show...they might get away with selling a $10 postcard!!!!! No wonder the best attraction we have in El Paso is the.... Oh, we don't even have one!!!!!! Wake UP Morons!!!!!!!
vato
October 14, 2008
Pochomatli, this was not a tax increment financing scheme: it was a straight tax rebate...city and county money right into the pockets of the developers, like when the car dealers give you a cash rebate if you buy a car.
Having commercial properties carry the tax burden off of property owners is laudable, but if those commercial properties consist of only retailm, it's still really a regressive tax scheme. Don't you think they pass their overhead onto the consumer? They're in it for profit, you know. It's still the consumer who pays those property taxes in the end.
ALB
October 14, 2008
Ray... it's not smoke and mirrors!!! This crap has been going on in this city for the last 50 yrs I've been watching!!! Other investors? The chicken has hatched!!!! Another golden egg lost!!!!
Sure there may be more..... then, with that type of outlook for investors... they may go elsewhere!!! No...not all gold glitters....but the gold rules!!!!
Drive by Farah... It hasn't glittered for many years... maybe you never saw it glitter?
George
October 14, 2008
Foster/Regency a changed in name to Hawkins/Regency... Does this reflect? It's address is Gateway West, not Hawkins. Since Foster owns the land, he should clear up the so called "eyesore" and sell it. End of story. Thank you!! Commissioners. At least you did your job and represented El Paso taxpayers and some special interest groups.
ab
October 15, 2008
once again the city is going no where... Foster is trying to do something good and bring jobs and develop it. Our little city government and small town politics, when is the city going to SCRATCH our backs for once. Old school politics never fail in HELL PASO... city goes no where because we elect monkeys..
Rey
October 16, 2008
Some people. seem to believe that this is an opportunity that has been lost. I don't agree one bit.
For the person that says he has watched this for 50 years, I too have some history.
Do you remember the Twin Plant Concepts. What happened there. Did the jobs develop? Of course not. We promoted low wages and NAFTA exported jobs to Mexico. Then to China and India. Now India, Mexico and China have been taken over by lower wages in Korea and elsewhere. What happened to El Paso.
Hey, here is an idea! Reverse out-sourcing. Why not market this building for the Mfg of Chinese Goods? (remember, fuel cost might make this a possibility) Anybody thinking about a Toyota plant in El Paso?
Do we need to mention Call centers? India bought lots of the Fiber Optics during the late 90's dot com bust. What happened to El Paso with these call centers?
Now we have an opportunity to build upon a Medical Center. We have an opportunity to locate a Nursing School. Hey maybe even A law school that I can attend. Is there perhaps a pharmacy school waiting in the wings. We need to subsidize and push this type of higher paying industry.
We need to think! Why do we need more poorly paid Retailing Jobs? Perhaps Foster should use some money to improve the old refinery. What a air quality and Safety improvement for area neighborhoods.
I applaud the county's decision. Oh! one last point on my history. Do you remember Fred Hervey. He was a special interest elected twice to become Mayor years ago.
. What a long way we've gone. We have county elected officials voting for the benefit of the Electorate.