David K wrote a piece disingenuously paying lip service to the legalization of drugs, while simultaneously giving all the arguments why they should stay illegal.
His enthusiastic ambivalence highlights the moral and practical conundrum of our current prohibition. While Mr. K supports the legalization of drugs on ideological principle, he remains opposed to it as a practical consideration.
Last week, in the responses to his article, I addressed the practical reasons why the drug prohibition is counterproductive, but my reply came after 40 other responses, and may not, therefore, garner the attention I feel it deserves. So let me repeat it here.
Here is my response, as it appears in the comments section of David K's article:
Let me put it simply, so even a conservative can understand it.
People deal drugs because there's a lot of money in it. There's a lot of money in dealing drugs because drugs are expensive. Drugs are expensive because producing and distributing drugs is risky. Producing and distributing drugs is risky because drugs are illegal.
If you make drugs legal, you remove the money incentive. Without the money incentive, you don't have people trying to kill each other.
Now can somebody explain to me why drugs are illegal? It seems like the only reason drugs are illegal is to keep them expensive. If it's to keep people from doing drugs, it's not working. If a person wants to get drugs, it's pretty easy.
Am I missing something?
The crux of Mr. K's argument is based on two suspect premises.
The first is that, to quote Mr. K, “more people would get hooked [on] the cartel's top selling products” if drugs were legal. And surely, the illegality of drugs is sufficient disincentive to keep some people from doing them. The question, though, is how many? Would the social costs of increased drug use and addiction exceed the staggering social costs of the drug war?
Would Mr. K be a junkie if heroin were legal? Would you?
As Bill Tilney points out in his column, the United States currently houses a quarter of the world's prison population, with half of those incarcerated doing time for drug related offenses. These social costs are born disproportionately by minorities, exacerbating already strained relations.
The other fallacy in David K's argument is that, because of government regulation, drugs would still be expensive if they were legal, and they'd be of poorer quality.
Of course, eliminating the financial incentive for the drug cartels is the motive for legalizing drugs. To prop the cartels up with excessive taxes and price controls would be sabotaging the whole process.
To bolster his quality argument, Mr. K suggests that the government regulates the strength of alcoholic products. “No, the government tends to be pretty wimpy when it comes to the strength of mind altering substances,” he writes. “Just ask the boys in Tennessee who prefer 'white lightning' over the store brands of alcohol.”
Presumably, 190 proof Everclear is available in those counties in Tennessee where alcohol sales are legal. Moonshine is probably more popular only in those counties where an alcohol prohibition is still in force. I bet “those boys” in Tennessee would prefer George Dickel if they could get it.
The main point that we can take away from Mr. K's column, and the comments that follow, is that the drug problem is complicated. The War on Drugs has been propagandized to the point where mere logic alone won't solve the problem. Drug use is symptomatic of the bigger problems facing this country, including the emphasis on consumption, and the lack of both social mobility and meaningful work opportunities.
People's identities are defined, to a point, on how they feel about drugs and their continued illegality. Unfortunately, this has produced a situation where no solution is consensually acceptable. We are at an impasse, chained to opposing identity structures. In a deadlock, the status quo usually prevails.
















Kirk Muse
January 12, 2009
The so-called war on drugs is a huge industry and huge bureaucracy.
Victory in the drug war is not possible, nor is it the goal. Victory in
the drug war would mean that the drug war industry and bureaucracy are out of business.
There are basically two types of people who support the so-called war on
drugs:
Those who make their livelihood from it. This includes politicians and
bureaucrats who are probably on the payroll of the drug cartels. (Al
Capone had hundreds of politicians and prohibition officials on his
payroll.)
Suckers - taxpayers who have bought into the lies and propaganda of the
drug-war industry and bureaucracy.
Suckers - who are willing to deny liberty and freedom to others but
think that their own liberty and freedom will never be in jeopardy.
Suckers - who believe that criminalizing a substance will make it go
away. Suckers - who think that drug prohibition somehow protects children.
Suckers - who think that giving criminals control of dangerous drugs
somehow protects children and our society.
Suckers - who think that they live in a free country even thought the
United States is the most incarcerated nation in the history of human
civilization.
David K
January 12, 2009
Obviously you didn't read my piece very carefully... or with an open mind.
You are not ready to have a discussion on the legalization of drugs if you are going to get all pissy when someone brings up good questions about the subject at hand.
Rich Wright and others keep bringing the argument partly back to the effects of drugs on Americans when this resolution is squarely in reference to THE MEXICAN CARTEL PROBLEM.
Your complete lack of understanding of what businesses the cartels are in and why they act the way they do is shocking. They still sell drugs to the Mexican people. They still run rackets and pay for protection schemes, kidnapping rings and political blackmail - you name it, they are into it. They've diversified just like any criminal organization does and will continue to do long after we legalize drugs.
I say legalize drugs tomorrow here in the states. Have fun! It won't do a damn thing to the cartels, and that's just a fact you are going to have to get used to.
When you folks are ready to have a conversation about ending the cartel violence through the legalization of drugs or other means, please give me a ring. By "conversation" I mean two or more people forwarding questions, ideas and answers without one side crying like a little baby and running home every time someone challenges their ideas.
maryp
January 12, 2009
Did you happen to read Tom Fenton's editorial in El Paso Inc. Sunday and his observations of the Netherlands when they had legalized marijuana? Again - it's not the drugs causing the killing in Juarez. It's a country that has absolutely ZERO control in fighting crime. These are 2 separate issues. Keep them separate.
vato
January 12, 2009
But that's what conservatives do: disingenuously pay lip service to one thing while simultaneously giving arguments against it. Its pretty typical.
Colleen McCool
January 12, 2009
Hey Kirk so good to see you posting here! There really aren't many of those suckers around these parts. LOL
The good folks of El Paso realize Mexico's and our corrupt officials are in bed together! Corruption is rampant, official lawlessness rules as it did during alcohol prohibition.
Many other of today's leaders seem to have minds like concrete; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. How can they be unconscious of the societal harm this policy causes? They try to con us into believing they "care" while they waste our precious lives and resources - a con used by servants of tyranny, throughout history to make it look like they (the tyrants) have a
conscience.
Alcohol prohibition showed us the way to stop drug war violence and corruption. Duh, by legalizing and regulating the distribution of the product. This would immediately cut off the major source of funding for terrorists worldwide and could increase our tax base.
On the 75th Anniversary of the repeal of alcohol prohibition recently, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition has kicked off the 'We Can Do It Again' project, calling for an end to drug prohibition.
http://www.WeCanDoItAgain.com
Restore justice in America; construct science based drug policies about saving and rehabilitating instead of ruining lives.
Drug warriors need to get a grip on reality! Prohibition triggers violence in our streets and along our borders. It fuels corruption of public officials and injustice in our courts. It incites terrorists by forcing senseless policy on other countries. The black market supports despicable people who sell to children and who recruit them to sell to their peers. The statistics reveal that racism is epidemic in the drug war.
It is a fallacy to believe the evils of the drug war are unintended. Felony convictions disenfranchise mostly poor and minority Americans. Tricky Dick Nixon was really good at hiding tyranny under the guise of good intentions, a con used by the servants of tyranny, throughout history.
Gain better control by regulating all drugs like we do pharmaceuticals, tobacco or alcohol. We tolerate the salesmen of these drug gangs that cause more death annually than all illicit drugs.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm
Punishing individuals for making a safer health choice today is absolute madness. Taking children from the homes of parents who made a safer health choice in a medicinal or recreational drug is insane policy. Taking property from these same, destroyed by government families, is legalized extortion!
If you research it you will find that there were few overdose deaths before prohibition.
rich wright
January 12, 2009
Hey David,
I think you're the one not paying attention.
If you legalize drugs, you remove the financial incentive from the drug business. So there's no point in killing anybody over it anymore. If the only thing you're worried about is stopping the cartel violence in Mexico, that would go a long way towards achieving that goal.
If, though, you're also worried about the effect legalizing drugs might have on the U.S. (and I know you must be, because you addressed it in your piece), then that's a different issue, which you and I both talked about.
All the references I made to the U.S. were in response to statements you made in your piece.
What is it you're smoking?
Loren
January 13, 2009
"They've diversified just like any criminal organization does and will continue to do long after we legalize drugs.
I say legalize drugs tomorrow here in the states. Have fun! It won't do a damn thing to the cartels, and that's just a fact you are going to have to get used to. "
Do you seriously believe that? Billions (with a "B") of dollars worth of dope flow through the cartels into the US every year. Do they have other income streams? Sure. The rest of their income sources combined and then multiplied by 100 would still look like a lemonade stand next to their Mall of America style drug trade.
Voletear
January 13, 2009
The effort to dismantle the WOD has always had it's proponents of half-measures and self-interested "Legal pot only" types. It has those who who know WOD is destructive but who are too pusillanimous to call for only obvious remedy: full legalization. But that is not what is keeping us from crossing the finish line.
Our opponents, yea, our enemies, pay no price for their support and promotion of prohibition. They control the press. We need to change that situation. We need more direct action. We need to take to the streets and shout out our protest, we need demonstrations and non-violent guerilla tactics. We need to make some noise. It's time to put up or shut up.
Donald Sheldon
January 15, 2009
I have no idea who this ego Richard Wright is but he seems to think himself a liberal/socialist/progressive or what ever label these big government pseudo intellectuals are calling themselves this hour.
The ONLY political party with an agenda to completely re-legalize drugs is Dr. Ron Paul's branch of conservative/libertarian Republicans. Conservatives live by a creed that says you are completely responsible for yourself and if you want to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge here is a map. Just don't hurt anyone else.
This is the conservative view of drug use as well. Legalize it and educate against self destructive behavior. As the leap.cc web site points out legalizing will not end the drug problem but it will end the crime problem in the US.
We can pray that Obama being both black and a street smart guy from Chicago will follow his hero FDR and end prohibition NOW and send the POW's from this silly War on Drugs home with their rights restored. It will assure his re-election probably and promote his ideas of socialism but it may be worth it to end this fools mission of the War on Drugs which is simply the reinstatement of Slavery in the US.
Donald Sheldon
Libertarian
Kenny Wayne
January 17, 2009
Wow....Rich, you make a good arguement and as always...so eloquently...the real reason drugs remain illegal is that it would be political suicide to propose they be legalized....
Because....
the silent but SUPER powerful Liquor and Tobacco lobies will never allow it! Bottom Line....really.
rich wright
January 23, 2009
Don't parse semantics with me, Donald Sheldon. People who oppose legalizing drugs overwhelmingly identify themselves as conservatives. Libertarians are generally social liberals, I believe. That must smart.
I thought McCain was the Republican candidate last election, and Ron Paul quit the party. I must not have been paying close attention.
The practical problem with Libertarianism is the unaddressed external diseconomies. You know, child labor. Pollution. Oligopolistic behaviors.
I think I'd rather be an anarchist, if we could get rid of all the assholes. Some of them are conservatives, also.